Togo
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Post by Togo on Feb 17, 2008 16:02:12 GMT
Hey guys figured whilst i was on i'd ask around to see if anyone has heard of the "52 blocks" style aka jail house rock/jhr I found some vids on youtube last nght and began to look into it. It caught my interest because it looks as if it could sort of work for the most part, although its had to say from the vids how effective it would be. Also the net is swarming with myths etc. about the style. Basically its a fighting style developed in ghetto's and prisons across america mainly for defending using the elbows and forearms to deflect and strike whilst also using dirty boxing tactics and cheap shots taken from the street. One of the videos on youtube would suggest the prison aspect as it shows the style being used against a boxer type chap whilst the defender is handcuffed. It also caught my attention because it looks like it shares a lot of wing chun ideas or similarities in techniques, i know i can't totally say this due to my limited training in the system but from watching other vids of wing chun etc it seems somewhat similair with what look like types of bong and gans being thrown in against strikes. I was hoping maybe some people here could tell me if they've heard of this style, if it works or if its just a bunch of well marketed bullshit by some poor "slap boxers" from the hood trying to make a bit of cash. As i said the vids make it look somewhat effective but it's hard to tell. check them out for yourself www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmrp1scHTvEhandcuffed video www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hCYLnd7JDE&feature=related 52 vs a not so good thai boxer www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVbqrz5XGE0&feature=relatedanother vid of the same guy Also if u check out www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVbqrz5XGE0&feature=relatedthere's vids of the guy doing some chi sau Your thoughts ? ;D |
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Post by bigtouch on Feb 18, 2008 1:04:03 GMT
ye man that looks terrible, i can see what you mean bout the vids makin it look betta tho sas the ppl that guys fightin against are bad too, especially that thai boxer, i nearly cried, lol
looks like it could work quite well despite that, not compared to wing chun tho
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Post by Tom on Feb 20, 2008 17:26:02 GMT
This is very very silly.
I fail to see, other than frantically waving your arms about (and providing opportunity after opportunity to get your arms tied up, or pinned), what real technique this guy is doing.
It seems to work against these guys, but one of them can't kick, one of them is fat, and none of them try and do anything except straight strikes. I'd love to see this stuff go up against someone well versed in Wing Chun. Put him up against Sifu or Trevor and see what happens...
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Post by Tom on Feb 20, 2008 17:45:12 GMT
It also caught my attention because it looks like it shares a lot of wing chun ideas or similarities in techniques, i know i can't totally say this due to my limited training in the system but from watching other vids of wing chun etc it seems somewhat similair with what look like types of bong and gans being thrown in against strikes. I can see where you're coming from. He does seem to be defending along his centreline, like we do in Wing Chun, but I think that's about the only similarity. His hands are far too close to his chest, and anyone faster than him would be able to pin his arms with ease. That's why our Wu sau technique should be away from the chest, and our blocking hand should be extended out, intercepting the incoming punch long before it becomes a threat... And although the constant movement of his arms is quite distracting (which I think is the point), other than that I can't see it being of much use. His blocks seem rooted in the boxing style of covering up, which works when you have big gloves on, but isn't so great without. Any good Wing chun practioner would attack through the guard, even if he blocked the first strike. Note that, other than a few 1-2 combos, none of the guys he is demonstrating on really link their punches together. I seriously doubt that he'd be able to block good fan sau. Also, watch the clip of him fighting with his back against a wall in the first video. At literally any time in that whole fight, the attacker could kick him anywhere below the waistline and end the fight, and he does absolutely nothing at all to stop it. That said, I don't think it's a bullshit style. It obviously has some good ideas, because some of those blocks seem to work against straight punches, and like I said, there's no doubt the constant movement of his arms is distracting. Although there were a few times when he opened his arms wide, offering absolutely no protection whatsoever. And I don't think it was meant to lure people into attacking either, he seemed to do it after attacks more than anything. I just think, as a style, it seems undeveloped. Which, if what you said about it being garnered from prisons and ghettos is true isn't surprising really. Especially when you consider how long other martial arts have been around for. And the types of people that probably started this style. |
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Post by Dan on Feb 20, 2008 23:02:03 GMT
lets be hones its really 52 Bollocks - the first vid looked interesting but it goes down hill fast, especially when he fights the "miu thai" guy who is really just a randomer off the street. Id be interested to se if there is anyone who is actually good at this style coz it seens .... erm how should if put it... novel  |
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Post by Tom on Feb 21, 2008 0:23:39 GMT
He's still better than Coda Scott.
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Post by rosenrot on Feb 21, 2008 13:55:29 GMT
"He's still better than Coda Scott"
Haha. Point well made. However I would consider six year old girl a tougher prospect than Coda Scott (she's at least gonna have better cardio...).
As for this style, the blocks look OK and quite effective. They seem to be taken from boxing/crazy monkey style cover-ups, but with the important aspect of head movement removed. The blocks are OK but to be really effective you have to be moving on your feet and ducking/rolling punches in order to respond with your own. This area seems to be the major fault in these videos: he uses blocks to cover up, but doesn't actually counter or attack at all. From experience I know if you cover up like this without bobbing, weaving or counter-punching you will be pasted very fast.
There are no real attempts to block body shots either.
In short, if the guy had some sort of offensive technique, these blocks might be useful, otherwise he's asking to get beaten down by a more aggressive opponent.
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Post by Tom on Feb 21, 2008 15:09:05 GMT
I really want to fight Coda Scott.
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Post by superfoot on Feb 21, 2008 23:22:41 GMT
He doesn't spar anymore because of his "hip injury" preventing him from kicking properly. Of course before the injury he was world champion in something or other, you can clearly see his skill in sparring when he does things like turn his back to his opponent and cower. Just like my hero bob sapp. Surely his students would jus be like LOL YOU SUCK, MY NAN COULD HAVE YOU. It is difficult i guess when you just start MAs and are ignorant and naive.
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Post by Tom on Feb 22, 2008 20:22:49 GMT
How convenient.
Imagine roundhousing the fat get. It would be awesome.
Krak!
Ripple!
You could do some properly flashy kicks on the guy, cos you know there'd be no way in hell he'd be fast enough or good enough to block anything but the most simple, straight attack. 360 turning kick to his fat fucking face.
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