Wing Chun in real life.. little story.

[jaycam]

So its 4:50am, and at around 11pm, 4 of us got randomly attacked by about 15 chavs outside our house in Skerton while we were on our way home.. it didn't go so well due to being heavily out numbered but if it had not been for my breif training in Wing Chun I dont think I would have faired so well... just been in A&E where I got x-rayed for broken ribs (none) and my mate tested for a concussion (didnt have one).

A guy went for my face and without thought the guard came up and a lap sau opened up his face and I got a clear shot which took him down.. shortly afterwards I was taken down by 3 of his mates and kicked in the head and ribs.. two friends got them off me and I got up and managed to dispatch another and run for the front door which I got open and we took shelter and called the cops...

In short it could have gone alot better but also alot worse and I am glad that Dave drilled me with Chi Sau on Thursday night.. next time you see me feel free to laugh at my various facial injuries!

Well theres my story.. see everyone on Tuesday..

J.

[Tom]

Good story, and a little bit more proof that what we teach works. It's just a shame you came away with any injuries at all, but like you said, it could have been worse.

It still pisses me off that there are people who will literally just attack someone for breathing the same air as them, and thats why I think that in this day and age, everyone should learn some form of self defence. I wish stories like this were freak occurences, but they really aren't. Take that poor lad on the news the other night who was stabbed to death on a train for literally just looking at someone. If he'd have known how to defend himself better, then perhaps he might still be alive. All it takes is a little bit of prior knowledge and suddenly that fatal knife wound to the heart turns into perhaps a slashed arm.

At the end of the day, we don't teach people how to be invincible, but we do increase the chances of you coming out of situation alive.

[ben]

Well put tom

[jaycam]

Damn right Tom well said.

J.

[Dan]

yer your right Tom, it is so annoying that these things aren't just freak occurances, this happens in Lancaster alot.

[superfoot]

ye and its very easy for something bad to happen, if theyd have hit you with the suckerpunch youd have fallen headfirst onto concrete then got stamped on (and probably being stunned not be able to guard yourself); such an attack could have really done some serious injury, even caused death.

(the majority of deaths in taekwondo comps were previously from ko'd guys falling head first onto matts, thats why helmets were introduced)


ps. "i got up and managed to dispatch another" = wickedcool

[Batto]

Fight with no mercy.
With mercy, don't fight.

[superfoot]

buddha say, 'it no rain everyday'

[jaycam]

"Fight with no mercy.
With mercy, don't fight."

I like that.

J.

[Tom]

check out the video I put in the links section called "how to deal with scallies". An inspiration to us all

[wingchunseeker]

Hello guys and gals, Alan from the Glasgow Club again. I agree with the general sentiments of all stated above about the sad state of the society we livein, and I agree wholeheartedly.
I never stated this in my introduction when I joined your forum, but this is as good a place as any.
By profession I am a Customs Officer, and in addition to my normal duties catching smugglers, I am also in charge of all the Use of Force training given to all Customs Officers in Scotland and the North of England. This involves an initial 5 day course covering subjects such as communication skills, reading body language, warning signs, danger signs, locks, restraints, handcuffing, etc. I am also trained in the use of batons. For your information, Customs, Police and Immigration Officers all do the same training. I have been teaching this for about 10 years now.

Now, I can hear you ask "Why is he telling us all this?"

Well, as Jaycam and his friends found out the other night, you just never know what is going to happen to you, or how you are going to respond. It could be that you are caght up in a situation in which you were obliged to defend yourself, and now find yourself having to make a statement to the Police regarding your actions.

I hope that none of you ever find yourself in this situation, bit if you do, it is VERY important to remember a couple of points.

The rush of Adrenalin that your body receives during a fight will cause a short term memory loss, which will make trying to give an accurate statement immediately after an incident virtually impossible. There is nothing wrong with waiting 24 hours, by which time you will have a much clearer recollection of events.

A statement regarding a fight in which you defended yourself should include a lot more than the basic facts. It is extremely important that you include in detail HOW you were feeling as you were attacked. It is a very emotive subject, and the fact that you were afraid goes a long way to justifying any subsequent actions.

The Law states that Reasonable Force may be used to defend yoursef or others from attack.
This is rather a subjective statement, as there are a lot of things to be considered when calculating what is "Reasonable". These are called "Impact Factors", and include, amongst others, height, weight, sobriety, weapons, sex of attacker.

If you can remember in the heat of the moment, shout "STOP FIGHTING" as hopefully any passer-by / potential witness will state that you were the one trying to stop the fight.

Customs, Police, and Immigration Officers all have to conform to the following :-

Were your actions Reasonable?
Were your actions Justifiable?
Were your actions Proportionate?
Were your actions Neccessary?

These are also good guidelines for everyone to follow if they have to defend themselves.If you can honestly say yes to all these questions, then you have acted within the law and should have no worries.

As I said earlier, I hope none of you ever find yourselves in a position of having to justify your actions, but if you do, I hope this helps, and if I can help you with a statement, please don't hesitate to contact me.

[Dan]

Thats really useful information thanks for that.

I have allways wondered what the legal system expects in cases like that and its good to have an 'inside' view.

Thanks
Dan

[superfoot]

Very useful, thank you!

[dj]

Its David (Dave) here. just read this story for the first time. I remember the guy who started this thread but not his real name - he hasn't come for ages.

Just reading that story made me so happy that i actually helped someone defend themself by helping them with chi sau.

Here's what I did, if anyone wants tips for helping beginners...

I remember that 'jaycam' only came for a few lessons and on the fifth of sixth perhaps I introduced him to chi sau (he might have tried it once before). We spent about 40 mins or so just doing really chilled out chi sau practice where i let him keep practicing simple techniques on me over and over. I showed him lap sau - fak sau, and got him to practice it very slowly and softly to begin with. Then I told him to gradually lap and strike faster and more powerfully, until eventually he was putting his maximum energy or 'ging' into the technique. After a while I was telling him to try to pull my arm out when he lap sau'd me!

I think allowing people to see the effect they can have on opponents by putting their full power into attacks is important for helping them build their confidence.

I then introduced him to another couple of extremely simple techniques (cup sau and pak sau i think), always making sure that i allowed him to repeat the movement many many times so that he could get used to the moves.

As we built up the speed and power of the practice, i tried to make it more 'realistic' by attemting to block the strikes. I told him to keep getting faster until they were so fast that i could not block them.

I remember leaving the lesson feeling good that i'd helped someone improve a couple of things.

It was actually that weekend that the guy got attacked I think. I heard about the attack ages ago but did not know until now that wing chun had come in useful in helping him defend himself.

Like I said, I feel so happy that the training we did actually helped him.

Suppose that feeling is why Master Kwok keeps teaching us for only £2 a lesson!

[Tom]

I can see why Trevor and Juan were telling us to slow down our Chi Sau in Majorca now...